Okay…so I have an issue that came up for me recently, I gave some advice to a follower about her own situation using mine as an example…and now I am wondering if my advice was appropriate. I would very much like to hear what each of you think/feel about this:
As many of you know, my son is away at Marine Corps boot camp (he’s doing very well by the way and I’m incredibly proud of him) and the only connection I have to him is snail mail. It is very hard on a mother, especially when she can’t even pick up the phone and call. Three months with a few letters can almost break your heart.
Anyway…J and I know this couple (we’ll call them W – the husband and S – the wife). W is a Marine, and to make matters even better, he used to be a drill instructor at the same training base my son is at. I began talking Marines with W almost every time I saw him. I spoke to S about this on multiple occasions and she was so incredibly kind about it, telling me she understood and I was more than welcome to talk to him anytime and she was glad he was able to help.
Well…a few weeks ago, that all changed. I’m not sure what happened. The two of them showed up at a bar I was at (J was out of town and I was there alone). She and I talked for about 45 minutes or so and laughed and enjoyed ourselves. Later, I talked to W about how my son was doing, etc. At a point later in the evening, I was sitting with a female friend of mine, just talking about life and S came up to me, got in my face, was pointing and angry and told me to never speak to W again! W was no where near me at the time. I didn’t know what hit me. In an instant, my connection (which I felt through W) to my son was abruptly severed. She wouldn’t say anything more and wouldn’t talk to me about what happened.
I called J the next day and we had a great talk about it. He was very supportive and understood why I was so upset. We addressed the fact that, among other things, this could start a lot of rumors about what I might have done with W while J was out of town. A LOT of people heard her and will jump to conclusions.
I told J I was prepared to respect her wishes and as long as W never approached me, I would not speak to him. I refuse to be rude and just ignore a man who has been nothing but good to me…however, I also do not want to be the cause of problems in their relationship and so…I will never talk to him again if he doesn’t approach me.
J and I had another conversation about it when he came home and I just felt compelled to tell him how incredibly grateful I am to have him in my life. He was curious why I brought that up now and I said “Because so many men would have handled this in a very different way than you did and you made me feel safe. I am grateful for that.” and he said “I handled it this way because I love you.” and I said “No…you handled it this way because you believe I love you. There is no bigger compliment than when you tell someone you love them and they believe you. If they have doubts, there will be jealousy and fear. If they don’t, there is only love in return.”
I’m very lucky…J knows without a doubt that I love him, so no matter what rumors evolve from this, I know he’s behind me and with me, holding my hand no matter what anyone else thinks.
After this all happened, a follower came to me with a problem. My advice to her was the same as my advice to myself. Sometimes, its better to let things go. These types of people are looking for drama and the more we talk about it, the more we feed that drama. The best way to end something like this is to keep our distance, be friendly when directly faced with the people (no drama) and move on. No need to bring it up, they know what they’ve done and so do we…that should be enough.
Fast forward a week or so. J and I are in the same bar for a benefit auction and W and S show up. W gives me a slight nod and a smile and I took that as him saying “Let’s just do this, but I’m okay.” I smiled back and moved on with my day. J and W played a little pool, talked to each other and seemed to be having a good time. W brought the subject up with J and J mentioned I was upset but I wanted to respect S’s wishes and that’s why I wouldn’t be talking to him. W said he would talk to S and see what he could do to make the situation better for all of us.
I saw W talking with S a few minutes later. Within an hour, W was sitting across from me giving me a very (intimidating??) icy glare. Clearly, S said something to make sure even W wasn’t okay with me. Then W went to J and told him he was done with both of us, that J had no idea what his woman was really like and that I needed to stay away from him.
So…rumors are flowing. S has clearly said things that are not true. They’re talking behind my back about something that never happened. And I am ready to address it!
My new advice to my follower is this:
Sometimes, it really is better to let things go and move on. Sometimes, it really is better to take the high road and refuse to participate in the drama. And sometimes, it is absolutely necessary to stand up for yourself, reclaim your pride, show you can’t be intimidated and then move on.
Which advice to do you think is better?
Let it go?
Stand up for yourself?
Because at this point, I’m not sure…but I do know, the next time I see W and S…I’m going to let them know exactly what I think about her insecurities, his attitude and their need to use me to feed the drama they clearly need in their relationship. They will know, from me, that even if they need drama, J and I don’t and I will no longer keep quiet and just sit there and take it!
What would you do?
Please comment...maybe someone will stop me from being just a little bit too...ummm....ME!
Much Love,
Mercedes
Thursday, October 8, 2009
Good Advice? Bad Advice? I Need YOUR Advice!
Posted by Miss Mercedes at 1:41 PM
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Sorry sweetheart. You're not going to like what I'm going to say, and it's not because my personality tends to be more reserved than yours.
LEAVE IT ALONE.
Whatever you say will fall on deaf ears. W is married to S. He WILL believe anything she says over you, EVERYTIME.
To try to "make things right" will only incite/inflame the already tense situation.
xxoo
Tinque: I had the distinct feeling that would be your advice! LOL
I know what you mean about W believing what his wife says. That part is perfectly fine by me. I don't need either of them (nor do I want either of them in my life after this). What W believes is his own deal and I really don't care. He showed me what kind of man he is...I'm not going to ask him to show me again.
What I need to stop is the rumors they are creating around others who know us. By "they" I mean W and S both.
There are a lot of people who are looking for "something wrong" with J and I. They are jealous and are waiting and watching for a crack in our relationship. This situation is feeding that and my reputation for being faithful to J while he is out of town is on the line. J and I both do quite a bit of traveling. Rumors while one of us is away...well...those are hard to sit back and listen to. I simply don't know if I can do it anymore.
Thanks for being here Tinque...I knew whatever you thought, it would be smart.
Much Love,
Mercedes
Do you really want people in your life who doubt you and/or question you relationship with J? People believe what they want to believe. Remember?
Sounds to me you both need some new friends, people who love you and believe you as well as believe in you and you and J. You also need some new hang outs.
All that matters is what J knows and believes in his heart.
xxoo
So I'm gonna have to say you had it right the first time tell her to leave it alone. I think you said you lived in Texas (might be worng here) so I can empathize that you live in a probably smaller town where people talk and rumors spread fast because I grew up in the midwest where that happened a lot as well. So I know what it feels like to have that kind of pressure to uphold your reputation. The judgements people can make are ridiculous
However, who's validation do you really value as the strong, confident, beautiful woman that you known you are? Theirs or yours and J's?
I have a pretty good idea what this answer is gonna be, but sometimes its good for someone else to pose the question it first.
I would also add that by voicing your opinion like you mention you are feeding the drama that they need in their relationship that you and J do not need.
Remember what you said so passionately earlier.."you handled it this way because you believe I love you" If you both believe this truely then nothing that any rumor spread can say will take that away from you.
Try to resist the urge for closure because it is not necessary...You said it already "they know what they’ve done and so do we…that should be enough"
My 2 cents :-)
All right you two! Do you know each other? LOL
I see the point...but I also tend to feel better when I let loose on someone...if its deserved that is... :-p
How about this? I'll hold off for a bit and see how I feel when things settle down.
A couple of things though:
I live in Houston, so its not small, but this particular bar has a lot of "regulars" so most of us know each other. I'm also from the midwest and I know it would be a lot worse there. As a matter of fact, there, I would have let loose long before I even thought about posting on a blog and asking for other opinions. LOL
One thing I refuse to do is find another hangout. I will absolutely not change where I spend my time for someone else. If things get uncomfortable, they can leave. I like many, many of the people who hang there and I have no desire to cut ties with those of us who regularly play pool or get together at the same table every Friday or for football on Sunday. That is something I will not do....ever. LOL Sorry Tinque...but that one is out. :o)
Feeling like I'm sitting there while people talk about me and I'm doing nothing to stop it is really bothering me. It's not so much about "closure" as it is about letting everyone know I won't just sit there and be ridiculed without standing up for myself.
Okay...so I'll do nothing for now, but....keep talking to me. LOL
Much Love,
Mercedes
No one can ridicule you unless you let them. They can say what they want. You and J know the truth, so hell with them. Like I said if someone really knows you and loves you, they will ignore these rumors or defend you.
I feel too that by responding you are only fueling the rumors. Does this make sense?
You will gain nothing. People will believe what they want to believe, and you can't change that. It won't make you feel better either, maybe worse since PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE.
Got it?
Love you,
xxoo
LOL! I got it girl! Except the part about not feeling better. I truly do feel better (as in a huge rush of feeling better) when I stand up for myself.
Those who love will still love me even when I'm telling someone what I think of them. Those who would get a kick out of it for the rumor alone..are getting that anyway so it wouldn't change anything.
So...it changes nothing except I feel better. Hmmmm....
LOL!! I love you Tinque! You are the coolest friend EVER and probably my only true friend who would physically hold me back from marching over there and letting them have it! :o)
Much Love,
Mercedes
You got that right. I would.
But would you really feel better? Yeah in the moment, but since nothing has changed, it would be shirt lived rush, and you would be back to square one.
And others may wonder is you are SO riled then maybe there might be some truth to the rumors, not that we care what they think. Right?
Keep me posted.
xxoo
"I'm also from the midwest and I know it would be a lot worse there. As a matter of fact, there, I would have let loose long before I even thought about posting on a blog and asking for other opinions. LOL"
Touche...Lol..Im glad we are on the same page.
"Feeling like I'm sitting there while people talk about me and I'm doing nothing to stop it is really bothering me. It's not so much about "closure" as it is about letting everyone know I won't just sit there and be ridiculed without standing up for myself"
Ah so its ego then? I love you but I had to call you out on that one.
If I can avoid and walk away from street fights for 13 years after being trained to fight professionally, I have faith that you can leave your ego at the bar door. :-)
Terrance: Is it ego or is it pride? A fight goes away when one person walks away. This has been going on for weeks now.
Tinque and Terrance: I'm not making any promises here, but I went out with J last night so I could watch the Huskers beat Missouri. They showed up. I said nothing. :o) You two might just keep me out of trouble....
Much Love,
Mercedes
I'm with the others. S is clearly unstable. If she's got to go to the lengths of lying about you to keep her husband away from you, that's her problem. If she's spreading rumors about you, chances are she's done shit like this before.
Ignore her. The best revenge is your relationship with J anyway. We all know *that* probably drives her batty trying to figure it out.
And if you want a new connection to your son, find an online support board for parents of military. Safer. More reliable. And honestly, better support.
Wow - Mercedes - I feel bad hearing this story because I have gone through this more than once.
I worked with a guy I couldn't stand and his wife called me one day accusing me of messing with him (I was only 17 and not handling this well). Turns out it was another woman we worked with that he was messing with.
This has happened to me more than once - for some reason, it's always me and not the mousey co-worker (who was "doing" 3 or 4 married men at various points).
So, I understand the urge to stand up for yourself but my (even recent) experience has been that I just hang up and refuse to engage in this.
Tough for me not to as well being that I'm orginally from Dee-troit!
(I feel angry and protective of you and wanna jump on 'em myself!)
Aldonza: "Ignore her. The best revenge is your relationship with J anyway. We all know *that* probably drives her batty trying to figure it out."
I like that...and yes, I'm sure it does drive her crazy. Ultimately, she did this when J was out of town so that he and I would hurt. Seeing that didn't happen is probably killing her. Seeing me with a man who is so sure of my love he didn't doubt me or leave me is more than likely something she wishes she had. And for W...if he's not putting a stop to the rumors (and he's feeding them instead), more than likely he wishes he had what J has too.
I don't see how S can stand the thought of people thinking W cheated on her. Not only is she okay with that, she's fueling the fire. Makes no sense to me at all!
"And if you want a new connection to your son, find an online support board for parents of military. Safer. More reliable. And honestly, better support."
This didn't work for me at all. The military has one set up and there are a LOT of parents on it, but I had all except one of my comments blocked. There are moderators and they've set rules. It was really nice having a friend to talk to...in person...who had been the same guy that's busy yelling in my son's face right now (lol) and who could encourage me at the same time. I'm okay on that end, I have other support...it was the shock and confusion of having that tie severed so quickly and so irrationally. I'm over the shock now and no longer hurting about the loss of connection to my son.
Thank you for the support...I appreciate your thoughts on this very much.
Much Love,
Mercedes
DocK: Come on down! We'll do it together!!! LOL Just kidding everyone...I'm not going to physically hurt anyone. :o) (Tinque has seen me in person and can attest to the fact that me against a drill instructor is a pretty comical concept...).
But I see that you know where I'm coming from. I understand the thought behind "let it go". Its the not standing up for myself and telling everyone (well...her...but in front of everyone) that she knows damn well the only problem here is HER OWN INSECURITIES and if she'd read my blog she'd realize I can help her with that! LOL And telling HIM that he might WISH something had happened between us to cause all of this, but he knows damn well he doesn't stand a chance in hell with a woman like me!
Okay....well....something like that anyway...
I'm sure it would go very much that way if I let loose....
Doesn't that sound fun to anyone else here? LOL
God it's hard to be good!
Much Love,
Mercedes
"Is it ego or is it pride?"
What's the difference. None in my book.
YAY for you keeping your lovely sweet mouth shut.
It doesn't matter what she thinks, what he thinks, what they do to undermine each other. Who cares anyway. This whole thing sounds SO junior high school.
Remember too that she/he can't hurt you unless you allow it. They are like the gremlin voices. You just gotta put him/her/it in a corner with a cookie (a really fattening one)and walk away. Go wash your hands.
xxoo
Coming to the party a little late...
You are standing up for yourself by not responding to this.
Responding and/or defending would be acknowledging the issue. Continue to be the woman you are. That is proof enough of what's really happening. If someone said something to you about it, then I would probably say something short and sweet (like "their relationship is none of my business"). But until then, as Rori would say "forget closure, stay on your horse...". :-)
Oh hey - forgot to ask - how are the "twins"? ;-)
I miss posting here. One final trip (yeah right) to the beach this weekend. Will post more when I get back!
Shannon: I miss you posting here too! Welcome to the back to the world of Miss Mercedes!!
"Responding and/or defending would be acknowledging the issue."
And I think it should be acknowledged and dealt with.
"Continue to be the woman you are."
But that's what everyone is advising me NOT to do! LOL
Okay all: This weekend will most likely be the "big test" of my strength and ability to "take the high road" if you will. I hope I can do it. The key for me is whether or not this all stops...because if it continues to eat at me and I'm constantly confronted with it...well...something is gonna blow! I hope to take all of your advice and do what I can to ensure that if something does blow, it isn't me. :o)
PS: Shannon...the twins are getting more and more wonderful each day...as they begin to heal, I love them even more! ;-)
Much Love,
Mercedes
Looks like I'm late too. I see and FULLY understand what everyone is saying. BUT this triggers me BIG TIME LOL. One of the things I absolutely hate anyone to do is LIE TO ME AND/OR LIE ON ME! So while I truly understand the advise given I don't know that I'd be able to follow it. But if you confronted them will it make things harder on your son? Wishing you peace of mind with this situation.
Ann-couldn't remember my google info lol
Mercedes,
I saw this happen to my parents a lot when growing up...the rumors and everyone being in everyone's business....and the more my parents tried to help the more trouble it created....Eventually when we ran into financial problems all my parent's so called friends deserted us and only a few stuck through...
Since then i try not to get involved with anyone's drama...i only keep very few trusted friends...I focus more on observing so I'll go with tinque and Terrance on this one...
But i also resonate a lot with wanting to speak out for yourself and saying what you think...that feels very authentic to me...
I have found that when i can truly express myself...I feel safe and content...so if the opportunity presented itself then i would feel much better doing that...
I guess there are two sides of it but what would really matter as Terrance said is Whose validation would i be seeking...the answer it may seem always lies within..Hugs..
Ann: "So while I truly understand the advise given I don't know that I'd be able to follow it. But if you confronted them will it make things harder on your son?"
I agree...good advice...just not sure I can follow it! No...nothing gets harder on my son. W is retired and has no affect on what happens to him. Not only that, I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know his name so even if he WANTED to cause problems, he wouldn't be able to. I doubt this is important enough for him to tarnish his career with though.
Thanks for your comment! I've missed you here!
Much Love,
Mercedes
Tracy: "But i also resonate a lot with wanting to speak out for yourself and saying what you think...that feels very authentic to me...
I have found that when i can truly express myself...I feel safe and content...so if the opportunity presented itself then i would feel much better doing that..."
This is exactly how I feel. I'm supressing what's authentic to me...and its getting more and more uncomfortable by the minute.
To everyone:
I'm wondering...for all my friends in loving, committed, intimate relationships: If a man or a woman were spreading rumors about you cheating on your partner and you were being confronted by these rumors consistently....would you be able to sit back and pretend nothing happened? Just never say a word? Just move about like you're happy and fine and content when really you're boiling inside? How long would you be able to stuff the feelings down without bringing them to light and do you believe that eventually, those feelings will just go away?
I saw them one time this weekend. I smiled, waved and said hello (took the "beat em to death with a Hallmark card" approach...just to make them uncomfortable...lol). They said nothing...just walked right by. W gave me the intimidating (????) stare for a long time (as in, for over an hour he sat there talking to nobody - including his wife - and tried to scare me or something with his eyes...lol...yeah...that didn't work).
I "enjoyed" my night with J and my other friends...with all these feelings just under the skin wanting desperately to come out and with everyone talking about it. I can't see these people without someone bringing it up.
Even when they weren't around, I had three people ask me about what happened. It isn't going away.
This is feeling worse and worse every day and I don't know if waiting until it all blows over is the answer. I'm about ready to make it so clear in such a firm voice so that THEY are the ones uncomfortable around ME...not the other way around. At this point, they are vocal about it to anyone who will listen and I am quietly pretending I don't care.
Anyway...I'm tired of it and I don't know what to do. :-(
Much Love,
Mercedes
Mercedes,
i feel compassion for what you are going through and it would really make me feel bad if people kept trying to interfere with my own relationship...
For me when i feel really confused about a situation i try my best to focus my attention on myself...I am learning to do this and shifting the attention back to myself relieves the anger and i feel more calm...
I would try and figure out what this experience is teaching me about myself and what changes i can make within me to feel much calmer in spite the rumors...
I have often felt that when i feel much better and my mind is much calmer...i am able to decide the most appropriate way of resolving the issue...a way that works for me and not imposed on by others..a way that i am able to express myself...most times the answer lies within..hugs
Thanks Tracy! Right now, this situation makes me want to either confront it or avoid it by staying home all the time. Instead of doing either of those things, I am putting myself smack in the middle of it and pretending everything is fine. It doesn't feel authentic or real or right.
In any case, I am behaving myself and I'm not feeding the drama. No matter how crappy it feels, at least I have that going for me. Someday, maybe I'll be respected for being able to hold my head high no matter what.
I really hate not telling people when I'm pissed off...
LOL
Thanks for being here everyone. You're the BEST!!
Much Love,
Mercedes
"THEY are the ones uncomfortable around ME."
Trust me they ARE feeling uncomfortable thus the hour long ???? stares.
This will go away eventually if you can be patient. If someone asks about it, tell the truth as you know it.
If you really have to, this would be a great time for a FEELING statement.
As in, "These rumors I've been hearing don't FEEL good. LIES don't FEEL good."
That's all you would need to say.
If someone came to me asking me if such and such that they heard about K were true, I would reply, "That's the silliest thing I ever heard."
K being much calmer and so not volatile as he's matured, become older, would likely say something much like that. Or totally ignore it as if the person never said anything at all which is quite a disconcerting feeling when you are on the receiving end.
xxoo
Lol Tinque it looks like you beat to the punch...I was pondering a way to express your feelings to get it off your chest and what I got was to expand feeling messages to the bar not just in the relationship and then leave it alone. Maybe that would give you a little relief.
What if I used the sentence:
"I feel like you S and you W are fucking insecure jackasses!"
Would that help? LOL
I'm doing okay with this. Pissed off as hell, but not responding.
Tinque, I hope you're right and this all just goes away.
Much Love,
Mercedes
OK - so this is DocK's VERY un-DEE-troit like response...
So what if you try holding them in the light? I know it sounds very new-agey but I remember asking my sister if she could do something like this with someone she had a problem with and she had an amazing turn-around.
While the turn-around might not happen, holding someone in the light of positive energy doesn't release them from you - but you from them.
Think about it. Does it feel good to hold anger and judment inside of you? Nope. But that is what they are doing and it is based on an untruth. You and J live in the light - with the truth, and with your love. S and W - they truly are in a dark place - can that really be fun?
DocK: Oh how I wish I could because I love that advice. (Ummm...any chance I could hear the Detroit advice...Lol). I do need to let this go...I know that. The hard part is being faced with it so much. If it would go away, I would gladly let it.
Sometimes, I don't feel like a very good person. This is one of those times. I'm doing what is "right" and I'm "taking the high road" and I'm being gracious and nice. And it doesn't feel good at all.
Thanks for being here. I really, really appreciate all of the advice. I think at this point, everyone should be very afraid of telling me to let loose on someone and take care of this shit once and for all. I'm pretty sure if even one person tells me they agree with that concept, I'm going to take their word as the truth of it all and I'm going to go Mercedes in someone's face. LOL
Thanks everyone...you're saving me (or them...whatever). LOL
Much Love,
Mercedes
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